http://www.brazilcartoon.com
Dear Organisers,
Thanks for organizing this poll. Please find my answers below:
1) World Cartoon, especially when we are thinking on “subject with humor,” have a stoppage.
Almost without any researches we are working on a very first idea that comes to our mind.
The result of this ends with similar cartoons. Do you think, we need to solve this problem? What can be done?
– By concluding the idea with the first most thought, unintentionally it ends up with similarity.
– To prevent this, I believe that every cartoonist shall have a pessimistic thought that the idea
might have been produced by others.
So, this thought will not kill the first most idea but will allow spend further more time in presenting the idea
differently and in turn it gets improved as a novel idea.
2) According to us, one of the biggest responsible of frequently appearance of ”similar” cartoons is jurors of the contests.
In particular the jurors who do not use the Internet as a medium votes for similar cartoons.
We have a suggestion to prevent similarities on cartoons:
Just to exhibit all submissions posted for contest in a digital gallery on the web site of the arrangers.
This can maintain a healthy result for the final cartoons.
”Don Quichotte” has already lunched this method for a while ago.
Do you have any different suggestions about this?
– “Don Quichotte” idea seems to be perfect. The filtered ideas need to be published before declaring prizes.
At least the replications can be brought to notice by the viewers.
3) What is your opinion on ”Censorship in Cartoon?” Should a cartoon be restrictions on it?
If yes, what is the borders of this?
So, censorship may subside the freedom of thinking.
4) Also at recent periods we find more technically perfect cartoons,
almost close to ”illustration” in definition and it seems they concern more plastic art which replace
the traditionally cartooning with simple lines.
It is a reality that there exists cartoonists/artists who produce on this track and who be very successful too.
Our concern is mostly on that the priority of humor -the gag or the idea
if you wish- stays in background. As it is known, the cartoon in definition is an
expression with ”least and original” lines.
Do you think so you too?
– Yes, this is an important aspect needs discussion.
– The technically advanced cartoons getting attraction over the simple
least lined traditional cartoon.
– However both are important, so the organizers requested to keep
two sections – one for technically advanced and other for traditionally least-lined.
5) What kind of structures the cartoonists need to act in solidarity, organized as a whole against lawsuits?
We need your alternative suggestions in order to create more strong cartoon unity,
shoulder to shoulder, which will work internationally. Do you have any suggestions?
– This can be achieved by a strong lead like “Don Quichotte”
Sairam Akundi-India
Answers:
1)In editorial cartoons, there have always been similarities, but they were not heeded much.
This is not a problem of the “World’s Cartoons”; it is the contests’ and contestants’ problem,
which cannot be solved by our current attitude. Our criteria should be updated.
For that purpose, the history of similarity and contemporary criteria of other branches
of fine arts should be analyzed.
For now, an attempt like below may be helpful:
The small differences between the terms like “Light Similarity”, “Parody”, “Variation”,
“Heavy Similarity” and “Plagiarism” can be stated and defined; public decision can be made by discussions.
They can be published as a guide and the juries, who want, can use it as reference.
2) In spite of the defects caused by the time limit for denunciation and
difficulty of accessing the very old pieces; broadcasting the candidate
pieces on the Internet must be used as a possibility.
Supposedly, upcoming years will bring us more practical archiving and comparing facilities.
3)Other than the cartoonist himself, I cannot think of a force x
that is capable of a general censorship.
Censorship is the fertilizer of cartoons.
4)Humor created with the help of photographs has become very easy and common.
I think this fact will cause the duo of “feeble concept + illustrative technique” to fall out of favor.
My opinion: “The real cartoon is plain cartoon”
5)The ones that did not find an opportunity to be a member of an organization until
now won’t be able to do so of a new organization either. If we lean on today’s reality:
Letting all the world know about the problems is enough.
If an extraordinary organization is going to be designed,
joining in shouldn’t be by membership fees and reactions shouldn’t be made by proclamations;
all should be done by cartoons. DQ, can lead researching and developing,
even building up and implementing such a system, it shouldn’t miss this honor.
Love and regards,
Eray Ozbek-Turkey
***
Yanitlar:
1) Editoryal karikatürlerde, benzerliklere evvel beri rastlanmýþ, ama fazla önemsenmemiþtir.
Bu sorun, “Dünya Karikatürü”nün deðil, yarýþmalarýn ve yarýþmacý karikatürcülerin sorunudur ve
bugünkü genel tavrýmýzla çözülemez. Ölçütlerimiz güncellenmelidir.
Bunun için de diðer sanat dallarýnda, benzerliðin tarihçesinin ve bugünkü ölçütlerinin incelenmesi gerekir.
Gene de þimdilik, þöyle bir giriþim yararlý olabilir: “Andýrma”,“Nazire”,”Çeþitleme”,“Sakýncalý benzerlik”,
“Çalýntýlýk” gibi nüanslar saptanarak tanýmlarý yapýlýr, tartýþmalarla bunlar üzerinde kamuoyu birliði
ya da çoðunluðu saðlanýr.
Bunlar bir kýlavuz olarak yayýmlanýr. Ýsteyen jüriler, bunu bir kaynak olarak kullanýrlar.
2) Aday yapýtlarýn internette yayýnlanmasý, ihbar için bir süre konmasýndan ve çok eski yapýtlara
eriþim zorluðundan doðan eksiklerine karþýn, kullanýlmasý gereken bir olanaktýr.
Belki önümüzdeki yýllar, bize daha pratik arþivleme ve karþýlaþtýrma teknikleri sunacaktýr.
3)Karikatürcünün kendi kendine uygulayacaðý sansür dýþýnda, genel bir sansür
uygulayabilecek bir güç düþünemiyorum.
Sansür, karikatürün gübresidir.
4)Fotoðraflardan yararlanýlarak yapýlan mizah, son derece kolaylaþmýþ ve yaygýnlaþmýþtýr.
Kanýmca bu olgu, ”zayýf espri + illüstratif teknik” ikilisinin gözden düþmesine yol açacaktýr.
Kiþisel düþüncem : “Asýl karikatür, yalýn karikatürdür”
5)Bugüne dek ciddi bir örgüte üye olmaya imkan bulamayanlar,
yeni bir örgüte de üye olamayacaklardýr.
Günümüzün gerçeðine yaslanýrsak: Problemlerin tüm dünyaya duyurulmasý yeterlidir.
Standart dýþý bir örgüt tasarlanacaksa, katýlým aidatla deðil, tepkiler de bildirilerle deðil,
hepsi karikatürlerle olmalýdýr.
DQ, böyle bir sistemi araþtýrýp geliþtirmenin,
hatta kurup yürütmenin öncüsü olabilir, bu onuru kaçýrmasýn.
Sevgi ve saygilarimla.
Eray Özbek-Türkiye
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1) Bence bunun bir sebebi dunya karikaturunda duzenlnen yarismalarda
organizatorlarin yarisma konusunu dogru secmemesidir.
Bazen duzenlenen karikatur yarismalarinda secilmis konu ve ya konularin aciklanmasi
gosterilmiyor ve ya gosterilen konunu her karikaturcu kendi dusuncelerinden
ve anlamindan basa dusur.
Bu sebebdende yarisma sonucunda degerlendirilen
karikaturlar ya benzer olur, ya da konuya uygun secilmir..
bence bunda karikaturleri degerlendiren juri uyelerininde sucu az degildir..
2) Bende raziyam ki, “benzer” karikaturlerin yarisma sonucunda sikca ortaya
cikmasinda juri uyelerininde sucu vardir…
Bunun bir sebebide yarismaya
davet edilen karikaturculerin karikatur cizmakda professional
olsalarda karikaturdunyasinda olan degisgenliklere onem vermemeleri ve dunya
karikaturundan habersiz olmalaridir.
Profesional karikaturcu olmak hecde dogru karar verecek birisi demek degildir…
Ote yandan bazi karikatur yarismalarinin jurisine davetler
organizatorlarin tanidigi dostluk ve ozel munasibetler uzerinden olur ki
buda yarisma jurisinin dogru secimine tesir etmekdedir…
Baska bir sebebse bence
Degerlendirme sirasinda Juri uyelerinin kendi ulkesinden katilmis karikaturcunun
eserine ( karikatur kotu olsa bele) daha buyuk onem vermesidir ki,
bu da; sonucda yarismaya katilmis digger karikaturculerin bilerekden hakkinin
pozulmasina sebeb olur..
ve sonucda yarisma albumunu gordugunde bazen deger
almis karikaturculerin eserlerinden daha iyi olanina ras geliyoruz ve
jurinin dogru olmayan secimine teesuf edirik.. Sonucda bundan yarismalara
katilmis karikaturculer zerer gorur ve hemin yarismaya olan inami
kirilir…Ote yandan bende raziyam ki, yarisma duzenleyen organizatorlar
yarismaya Kabul etdikleri karikaturlari bir web sitede yayimlasa daha iyi
olardi. Bu juri degerlendirmesinde en onemli olanidi… Baska bir fikride
soylemek isterdim ki , posta adresi , E-maili , onemli bilgileri olmayan
karikatur yarismalarinin sartnamelerini karikatur Web Sitelerinde
yayinlamamaginda vakti catmisdir.. Onemli bilgisi olmayan yarismalari bizler
web sitemizde yayinladigimizda sonradan bu yarismani duzenleyen
organizatorlardan hic bir haber cikmir… Karikaturler gonderilir bazen
sonuclar belli olmur, bazende yarismani duzenleyenler kayb olur ve
karikaturculerin E-mail adreselerine gonderdikleri sorular cevabsiz kalir…
Bence bunda aktiv karikatur web sitelerininde sucu az degildir…
3) Bence cizgide Sansur olmasina gerek yok…
Her bir karikaturcu kendi dusuncelerini cekir….
Sadece bu dusunceleri dogru istigamete yonlendirmeklazimdir…
4) Kendi dusunceme geldiginde her sanetcinin ozel bir te kniki vardir..
Amma karikaturda bunlari bir az one cekmek gerekdir;
az ve anlasilan cizgiyle ifade etmekle beraber karikatur sinirlarini asmamak..
5) Dunya karikatur orgutlerinin fealliyeti hicde her zaman urekacan degil
bence.. Hetda taninmis karikatur orgutleride sadece bir yarisma ve ya
festival duzenlemekle islerini bitmis hesab edir…
FECO kibi tanidigimiz kurumunda fealiyyeti bazen cok zeyif gorunur…
Resmi web sitesinde onemli
ve yeni haberlere az az rastlaniyoruz…
Bazen bu haberler ozel Web sitelerde
daha cabuk yer alir. Bence bu kurum tek karikatur orgutlerini degil,
Tez tez yenilenen karikatur web sitelerinide oz etrafinda birlesdirse fealiyetinde
daha daha aktivlik etnis olar..
Ote yandan karikatur dunyasinda dahaonemli is goren “ Don Kihot” Karikatur Komitesi ile
karsilikli isbirligi kurarsa ve siralarina Kabul ederse
FECO daha hizli calisan bir organi zasion halina gelebilir…
Seyran Caferli-Azerbaijan
“Cartoon News Center” web sitesinin direktoru
Dear colleagues,
My colleagues from the FECO board explain very well our point of view.
There you have all the details.
I only wish to add that as I am often invited as a member of a jury,
I always find different colleagues, and by consequence different personalities and
different point of views. This is not the point;
the most important is that a jury member has enough experience and knowledge
for a good and a just selection.
Perhaps the end selection will not be 100% just, but we hope that each member
of a jury has judged in a professional mean.
And we suppose (and hope) that the organizers of a cartoon contest would
select good professional people for a jury.
We know this is not always a reality, but we have a voice and we can protest.
FECO has a very good and proofed model of rules, each organizer can ask it.
This will be the best way to do a fair contest.
And finally, I only can repeat together with my colleagues from the FECO board,
that we cartoonists have the duty to draw about everything,
this is the best way to defend the freedom of expression.
***
DEÐERLÝ MESLEKTAÞLARIM,
FECO HEYETÝNDEN MESLEKTAÞLARIM BAKIÞ AÇIMIZI ÇOK ÝYÝ AÇIKLIYORLAR. BÜTÜN DETAYLAR VAR.
BEN SADECE SIK SIK JÜRÝ ÜYESÝ OLARAK DAVET EDÝLDÝÐÝMÝ,
HER ZAMAN FARKLI MESLEKTAÞLARLA BÝRLÝKTE OLDUÐUMU VE BUNUN SONUCU OLARAK DA
FARKLI KÝÞÝLÝKLER VE BAKIÞ AÇILARIYLA KARÞILAÞTIÐIMI EKLEMEK ÝSTÝYORUM.
ANCAK EN ÖNEMLÝSÝ ÝYÝ VE DOÐRU SEÇÝM ÝÇÝN BÝR JÜRÝ ÜYESÝNÝN YETERLÝ DENEYÝM VE BÝLGÝYE SAHÝP OLMASI.
BELKÝ SEÇÝM SONUCU YÝNE %100 OLMAYACAKTIR AMA BÝZ HER JÜRÝ ÜYESÝNÝN
PROFESYONEL ANLAMDA BÝR DEÐERLENDÝRME YAPMASINI DÝLÝYORUZ.
VE BÝZ KARÝKATÜR YARIÞMASI ORGANÝZATÖRLERÝNÝN JÜRÝ ÝÇÝN PROFESYONEL KÝÞÝLERÝ SEÇECEÐÝNÝ UMUYORUZ.
GERÇEKTE BUNUN HER ZAMAN BÖYLE OLMADIÐINI BÝLÝYORUZ FAKAT BÝZ BU KONUDA SÖZ SAHÝBÝYÝZ VE PROTESTO EDEBÝLÝRÝZ.
FECO ÇOK ÝYÝ VE GEÇERLÝ BÝR KURALLAR ÖRNEÐÝNE SAHÝP VE HER ORGANÝZATÖR BUNU BÝZDEN ÝSTEYEBÝLÝR.
BU ADÝL BÝR YARIÞMANIN EN ÝYÝ YOLU.
VE SONUÇ OLARAK, BEN SADECE FECO HEYETÝNDEN MESLEKTAÞLARIMLA,
KARÝKATÜRÝSTLERÝN HER ÞEY HAKKINDA ÇÝZMEK GÝBÝ BÝR GÖREVLERÝ OLDUÐUNU VE BUNUN
ÝFADE ÖZGÜRLÜÐÜNÜ SAVUNMANIN EN ÝYÝ YOLU OLDUÐUNU TEKRAR EDEBÝLÝRÝM.
FECO president general
I think first of all that we absolutely have to avoid bureaucratic tendencies
in our work and also definitive answers to questions that, eventually, doesn’t exist at all.
I do think that it belongs to each jury to edit its own rules and, of course,
we, FECO board, can accept or not these rules whether they are in accordance
or not with our principles.
In my opinion, this must be our open attitude in order
to save our basic principles and assure the best possible working
for cartoons’ contests and
exposures anywhere all over the world.
Definitely, I don’t think rules must be the same everywhere even
if some of them are imperative.
Therefore, we, FECO, just have to decide which basic rules are imperative.
That’s all, folks.
Carlos Brito-France
have a stoppage. Almost without any researches we are working on a very
first idea that comes to our mind. The result of this ends with similar
cartoons. Do you think, we need to solve this problem? What can be done?
There is nothing to do about that.
The mind can produce similar ideas.
Humour is not special but universal. Sometimes cartoonists in different countries
(far away from each other) can produce cartoons with the same ideas.
If a cartoon is drawn in the same style and the same perspective, same colours etc, and
it is proved that it is copied or stolen we have to inform organizers and cartoonists about that!
2) According to us, one of the biggest responsible of frequently appearance
of ”similar” cartoons is jurors of the contests. In particular the jurors
who do not use the Internet as a medium votes for similar cartoons. We have
a suggestion to prevent similarities on cartoons: Just to exhibit all
submissions posted for contest in a digital gallery on the web site of the
arrangers. This can maintain a healthy result for the final cartoons. ”Don
Quichotte” has already lunched this method for a while ago. Do you have any
different suggestions about this? It depend of the quality of the jury, but…
it’s impossible to know and see all cartoons produced within a certain period.
Be aware of not having a witch hunting….
The mind can produce similar ideas. Humour is not special but universal.
3) What is your opinion on ”Censorship in Cartoon?” Should a cartoon be
restrictions on it? If yes, what is the borders of this?
There is NO border. It is an interesting point to discus lively during a symposium with cartoonists around the world.
How far can you go? Do you insult on purpose? It all depends on culture,
democracy and religion. A cartoonist can never know in advance if he is insulting somebody or a group.
He does not has a list near his drawing table with all kinds of forbidden jokes.
It’s not the cartoonist who is a danger for freedom but those who felt hurt are a danger for freedom!
4) Also at recent periods we find more technically perfect cartoons, almost
close to ”illustration” in definition and it seems they concern more
plastic art which replace the traditionally cartooning with simple lines. It
is a reality that there exists cartoonists/artists who produce on this track
and who be very successful too. Our concern is mostly on that the priority
of humour -the gag or the idea if you wish- stays in background. As it is known,
the cartoon in definitionis an expression with ”least and original” lines. Do you think so you too?
It is the humour that counts. And the message that counts. Not the kind of drawing or painting or the style.
Everybody, every cartoonist is FREE to produce his works in his personal way…
5) What kind of structures the cartoonists need to act in solidarity,
organized as a whole against lawsuits? We need your alternative suggestions
in order to create more strong cartoon unity, shoulder to shoulder, which
will work internationally. Do you have any suggestions?
Join FECO. Do not overreact. It is impossible to make one rule for all cartoonists around the world.
We can break a lance, we can help, but it all depends on the structure and the rules and cultures is a certain country.
We do have members is Christian countries, islamitic countries, Jewish countries, Hindu countries.
The laws and rules are not the same; the freedom is not the same.
Respect each others religions, culture or democracy. Draw the world together.
There will always be some difference between nations.
Peter Nieuwendijk-Netherlands
Next FECO President General
Hello everybody,
great questions!
Here are some of my thoughts/views on each point you want to focus on:
1) There are often similar sources of inspiration for artists in a globalized world,
but the graphic carrying out and stylized personal interpretations will always be different.
I think originality and intelligence must be crucial points when it comes to
judge/rate/assess a cartoon or a cartoonist.
2) Good idea to show publicly all the received submissions, so that the participating
artists are aware of what has already
be done for a specific contest. I think that’s the best solution indeed.
3) Untill recently, I had the illusion that the web was a democratic area where people could share
their ideas and exchange their views.
This was an ideal of total and healthy freedom of expression’s spirit. But I was quite wrong.
There is a strong global “dictature of the convention” on the web like in the reality.
It’s a difficult question, because conventions are linked to culture in general.
But there are as many cultures as there are coutries, languages, religions, etc…
In other words, we’re all shocked by different things.
Before the revolution of the information and communication technologies,
it wasn’t a big deal, but now that everyone can access anything in just a few clicks,
it makes everything more complicated.
4) I think there is a huge confusion between cartoons and illustrations
even among the artists themselves.
Yes, a cartoon should be simple, just a few lines with a powerful semantics/meaning.
An illustration should also deliver an important message but the realization process is different,
more texture, more details, more shades…
close to traditional painting. May be we should make a distinction at DonQuichotte between
cartoons and illustrations…?
5) I think our “DonQuichotte Cartoon Association” already represents a sort of solidarity community,
but there should be a judicial branch/body to it.
There should be one big international structure.
There is already the FECO (at national and international levels) but in my view,
it lacks of unity and popularity.
Sincerely yours,
Benjamin Heine-Belgium
ANSWERS/YANITLAR:
MELLO
MOHAMED ALAFIA
BURAK ERGÝN
BORIS ERENBURG
HÜSEYIN ALPARSLAN
SAIRAM AKUNDI
ASIF AHMED
ERAY ÖZBEK
SEYRAN CAFERLÝ
MENEKÞE ÇAM
MARLENE POHLE
CARLOS BRITO
UGO SAJINI
MARCELO RAMPAZZO
DEREK EASTERBY
DANIEL LOTERO
EMRAH ARIKAN
BENJAMIN HEINE
MEHMET TURAL
TED RALL
MARIO SUGHI
TUFAN SELCUK
DIEGO JORDAN PEREIRA
PETER NIEUWENDIJK
DARKO DRLJEVIC
BERNARD BOUTON
PETRA HANZAK
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