CALL FOR DEBATE
This is an open call for debate about a “BIG SCANDALE” in cartoon world undergoing since
31st January 2010 when it was first discovered, and was surfaced by the
“Don Quichotte Magazine” in their web site with sound proofs.
The matter is purely one which concerns the art world in general and the CARTOON world in specific.
From the very first moment that this nasty incident was discovered, it has been started to be discussed
in the web pages and facebook and the parts involved have been called to comment about it.
Unfortunately, since 4 days, the discussion platform is being maintained in TURKISH language
only while the assailant is a TURKISH cartoonist and the injured party is not, a BRAZILIAN cartoonist.
Moreover, the matter is considered to be an extremely important one to be handled for a debate
in international field of cartoon because it is more than a case between two persons any more.
HEREBY, it has been decided, with the lead of “Don Quichotte Magazine”; to transfer it to the
world cartoon community; eventually this note of “CALL FOR DEBATE” has been drafted.
Dear Cartoonists of the world,
Find below the brief story of the above mentioned case in a most comprehensible way as possible:
· Mr. ALI SUR is a known cartoonist in Turkey ( to be called as ALI from now on).
· Mr. Luiz Carlos Fernandes is a very famous Brazilian cartoonist ( to be called as LUIZ from now on).
· ALI and LUIZ know each other before this incident from some international activities of cartoon.
· ALI has an account in www.toonpool.com web site to exhibit his works to public.
· LUIZ has a personal facebook page where he also exhibits his works.
· LUIZ has created a portrait caricature of Fidel Castro, the legendary leader of Cuba,
and exhibited this fine work in his facebook page.
( Doc No.1 : http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=28760&id=100000655511025
· ALI, in his TOONPOOL account page, has also exhibited the very same portrait of Fidel Castro.
( Doc No.2 : http://files.donquichotte.org/alisur-fidel-big.jpg ). After the disclosure of the incident,
ALI has immediately cleared this page from his account but the captured picture of the page stays in DQ magazine.
· The simple difference is that the portrait which was in ALI’s Toonpool account has no signature
on it while the one in LUIZ’s facebook page the signature of LUIZ is placed.
· Captured pictures of these two pages have been published in DQ Magazine on 31st January 2010
with the title of “BIG SCANDALE”. Thus the important debate started.
NOW;
1-The signature was deliberately erased from the TOONPOOL account of ALI.
2- Deleting the related page immediately from his account is an absolute proof of RED HAND caught case.
3- Toonpool account of ALI has some comments by the viewers and the replies of ALI himself in return.
These sentences can be seen in “Doc No.2 link” . Because some of the comments are in Turkish language
given by Turkish cartoonist friends of ALI, we have to give here their translations. Important ones are:
Mr.Oguz Gürel ( a well known Turkish cartoonist) writes :
( Your lines reach to such a degree that the portrait has become somehow monumental.
As if to run over from the paper… Congratulations ALI.. Very beautiful….)
ALI replies :
( In fact dear Oguz, it does not resemble entirely. It Resembles my father more.
I will send you his picture from facebook and look yourself. The nickname of the deceased was “Castro”
in the neighborhood . If you look carefully, you will see that it does not resemble much but I had drawn it anyhow.
This year, I am obsessed about the shadow work. I don’t like colored work.
I have been working portrait caricature for three months. I like the shadow and alike much. Thanks for your comments )
Some others viewers writes comments like “excellent, super, great work, good work,
very good work, very impressive, superb and nice one” , artists like Marian Avramescu,
Lucido, Gero, Nicoleta Ionescu. In reply to all at once he says:
“THANK YOU VERY MUCH” taking all the credit on himself.
Before the break of the scandal, one viewer named Ismail Dogan, another Turkish cartoonist comments saying :
“GOOD DRAWING… FORGOTTEN YOUR SIGNATURE”
Then, at the point of break of the SCANDALE, a viewer named Cristina comments :
“have you read don quichotte today ? It’s your work plagiarism ??”
(Doc.No.03 : http://files.donquichotte.org/rbayramoglu-belge.jpg )
He tries to reply to this comment in a broken English with a difficult to understand sentences
but surely a confession of the wrong act.
And HALF AN HOUR LATER, this page was deleted from his account in toonpool.
4- Not long after the announcement of this SCANDALE, many Turkish cartoonists start sending
their comments to both DQ Magazine and the new FACEBOOK group named
“DQ World Cartoonists Group” at : http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=216784392990
ALI starts cursing the people commenting against him by e-mails in a very bad manner and in slang language.
Not a single Turkish cartoonist sends any positive comment or even a word to support him in this debate.
LUIZ has been reached by mails asking about his opinion about the case.
He replies back to DQ Magazine and it was published there.
He shows a real gentleman attitude saying that he is not hurt that ALI used his work in his toonpool page.
But, he adds that it is never acceptable that an artist’s work is to be used without giving credit to the creator,
even worse by erasing his signature. Reply of LUIZ is published in its original text of English and its translation
to Turkish in DQ Magazine web pages.
Dear Cartoonists of the world,
This act of Mr.ALI SUR is considered anonymously by all the currently commenting
Turkish cartoonists as “UNACCEPTABLE”. However, it is not possible to name it.
Till now, we have the definition of SIMILAR cartoons.
We have the PLAGIARISM act which is worse.
Unfortunately, there is no current name for this act.
Moreover, is there any sanction to be taken against the actor ?.
Are there any measures to be taken to prevent the re-occurrence of it anywhere again ?.
Please remember that it may hurt any of us if we let it go forgotten.
KINDLY DO PARTICIPATE IN THIS DEBATE BY SENDING YOUR MAILS TO “DQ-Magazine” at
donquichotte@gmx.net
MARIAN AVRAMESCU
MEHMET KAHRAMAN
MENEKSE CAM
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Dear Cartoonists,
It can be called as a first incident in world of cartoons that,
we brought up an important case with the documents and
comments and wanted to share this important news with the large audience.
In brief, the cartoonist Ali Sur deleted the orginal signature
of Luiz Carlos Fernandes from Fidel Castro port…rait and
publised the same portrait in toonpool.com as if it’s his own work.
We shared all documents, informations and
comments in Don Quichotte
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HILMI SIMSEK
ALI SURNANDES’E CEVABEN
Ali bey, ilk yazimin sonuna dogru sadece sizi suclamadigimi veya
Burada elestiri yapiliyorsa bu insanlarin derdinin ;
BIR INSANI YOKETMEK OLMADIGINI anlamanizi isterim..
Insan hata yapabilir,onemli olan tekrara dusmemektir.
Siz birde kalkip fikrayla „d.t, möt“ olayina giriyorsunuz.
Aldiginiz oduller bu arada olcu degildir,
bircok sanat dalinda yarisma karsiti olan fakat tarihten adi
asla silinemeyen sanatcilar vardir.
Ben hayata bakis olarak hicbir canliyi ayirmam,
Sanatta da alayli veya okullu ayrimi yapmam,
lakin birileri bana fýkrayla cevap verir veya
odulleriyle kýyaslarsa ben de ona bir maymun ornegi veririm.
Odullerinizle buyudugunuzu ulasilmaz oldugunuzu dusunuyorsaniz
( sanatta oldum noktasi yoktur)
bu sizin maymun oldugunuzu gosterir ve unutmayin ki;
MAYMUN AGACA TIRMANDIKCA,
YUKARILARA ULASTIM DIYE SEVINIRMIS FAKAT
ASAGIDAN D.TÜ DAHA NET GORUNURMUS!..”
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RECEP BAYRAMOGLU
BU VAHÝM OLAYA GEREKLÝ TEPKÝYÝ GÖSTERMEKTE OLAN
DEÐERLÝ KARÝKATÜRCÜLER,
BÝRDEN GÖZDEN KAÇIRMAKTA OLDUÐUMUZ
ÖNEMLÝ BÝR “EKSÝÐÝMÝZ” Ý FARKETTÝM.
ALÝ ÞUR’UN YAPMIÞ OLDUÐU VE BENZERÝ OLMADIÐINI ANLADIÐIMIZ
BU VAHÝM OLAYI SADECE TÜRKÇE LÝSANINDA
TARTIÞMAKTA OLDUÐUMUZU GÖRÜYORUM.
BU OLAYA ZATEN BÝR YABANCI ÇÝZER FÝÝLEN VE MAÐDUR
DURUMUNDA DAHÝL OLMUÞ BULUNUYOR.
KALDI KÝ BUNUN EVRENSEL BÝR ÝLK OLDUÐUNU SÖYLÜYORSAK
SÝZCE TÜM BUNLARIN ORTAK BÝR DÜNYA LÝSANINDA VE GENE
YABANCILAR TARAFINDAN DA ÝZLENEN BÝR MEDYA
ORTAMINDA TARTIÞILMASI GEREKMEZ MÝ ??
AKSÝ TAKDÝRDE BÝR SÜRE SONRA
TÜM BU TARTÞILANLAR SÖNMEYE BAÞLAYACAK,
FAÝLÝN ÝÞLEMÝÞ OLDUÐU BU VAHÝM SUÇ
ULUSLARARASI KARÝKATÜR ORTAMI ÝÇÝN
BÝLÝNMEYEN BÝR OLAY OLARAK KALACAKTIR.
EN BAÞINDAN BERÝ SÖYLEMEKTE OLDUÐUM “AFÝÞE ETMEK”
EYLEMÝ ÞU ANDA TÜRKÝYE SINIRLARI DIÞINA ÇIKAMIYOR
ÖNERÝM ÞUDUR. DQ, KÝ YUKARIDAKÝ
ULUSLARARASI SANAT MEDYASI ORTAMI TANIMINA UYGUN
BENÝM BÝLDÝÐÝM EN UYGUN YAYIN, BUNU BAÞLATIRSA
GERÝSÝNÝ DE HÝÇ OLMAZSA ÝNGÝLÝZCE BÝLEN
ARKADAÞLAR TAMAMLARLAR.
YANÝ, ÖNCE OLAYI ÖZET HALÝNDE VE TÜM DELÝLLERÝYLE
DQ BÝR PAKET HALÝNDE ORTAYA KOYABÝLÝR.
DAHA SONRA DA YORUM YAPAN ARKADAÞLARDAN
BU BAÞLANGICA GENE ÝNGÝLÝZCE OLARAK
KATKIDA BULUNACAK OLANLAR GERÝSÝNÝ GETÝRÝRLER.
BUNUN KOLAY OLMADIÐINI BÝLÝYORUM.
NET VE ANLAÞILIR BÝR ÝNGÝLÝZCE ÝLE BU OLAYI TARTIÞMAK
BÝRÇOK KÝÞÝYE ZOR GELECEKTÝR.
GENE DE EN AZINDAN BUNU YAPABÝLECEKLER DAHÝL OLSUN ÖNCE.
EMÝN OLUN KÝ OLAY EVRENSEL BOYUTTA GÜNDEME ÇIKTIÐINDA
YABANCI KARÝKATÜRÝSTLERDEN DE
BÝR ÇOK KATKI GELMEYE BAÞLAYACAKTIR.
BUNU DQ BENZERÝ YABANCI WEB YAYINLARINA DA TAÞIRIZ.
SÜREKLÝ BAHSETTÝÐÝM AFÝÞE ETMEK VE DIÞLAMAK
ASLINDA BUDUR.
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.BUYRUN MAHKEMEYE !..VEYA BODRUM’DA TATÝLE..
Asagida, bana gelen maillerden bir ornek goreceksiniz, tehditvari bir ornek
!.. Bu maille, korkup yazilarima devam edemeyecegimi dusunen varsa; bu mail
benim icin “devede pire kalir”. Ben, 2006 subatinda, bir ay olumle tehdit
edildim.Kendi vatanimda, calismalarim Nisantasi Tevfik Ýhtiyar Sanat
Galerisi duvarlarindan Israilin istegi (emri) uzerine indirildi,
ýsrail konsoloslugunda sorgudan gectim !..
Ali bey gibi hava atabilecegim 78 odulumyok,
ama yuzumu kizartici bir olayim da yok.
Haksizliga karsi,mermilere karsi, kalemimi cektigim icin aldigim
uyarilar,tehditler belgelerle duruyor…
Ilk yazimda da ikincide de anlayan derdimi zaten anlamistir, benim
açiimdan Ali bey bu olayda yardimci oyuncudur,
kamera olayi onun uzeriden bize tasir.
Ali bey babasina hakaret ettigimi soyluyor! Babaniza Castro diyen ilk ben
degilim, sizsiniz! Babama mahalleli Castro derdi diyorsunuz ! Esas oglan
karikatur sanati ve sanatcidir.Bu olayin olusumunun altindaki gercek sorun
nedir( Juriler,dernekler,uluslar arasi paylasim,cýkar iliskileri,
ayrimcilik, bosvermislik v.b…)
Bunlar yazilip cizilirken dikkatimi ceken asil konu, T.C. Karikaturculer
Dernegi’nden hala bir satir yazi gorememis olmam !.. Belki simdi Ali bey
gibi birileride benim icin kim bu adam hangi cesaretle boyle yaziyor
diyebilir. Dernekteki buyuklerim beni dernek toplantilarinda gormek istemeye
bilir, hic onemli degil zaten hic ic acici bir durumda olmadigimizi
camiadaki herkes biliyor.Sanatci haklari nerede, bu haklarin ne oldugunu kacimiz biliyor?
BASBAKANI YORMAYALIM,
HAYDI BIRBIRIMIZE DAVA USTUNE DAVA ACALIM,
elestiri yasak, yazmak yasak,cizmek yasak !..
Madem karikatur evrensel karikaturist evrensel; Don Quichotte’a yazsan
Erdoganci, dernek sitesine yazsan dernekci, saat kulesine yazsa izmirci
vb..olmakla ayýrt ediliyor kendini bilmez bazý sahislar tarafindan
dislaniyorsun!.. Madem evrenseliz, olay sadece Ali Sur’u yoketmek degil, bu
olaylarin onune gecmek olmamalimi ?!…
Bu kadar cizer bunu mu tartismaliydi yoksa su an kalbimiz, beynimiz,
kalemlerimiz, Ankara’da, Istanbul’da eylemde mi olmaliydi.Asil tartisilmasi
gereken bu degilmiydi.Elestirmek ve elestirilmek cizerin hamurunda vardir,
bunu inkar etmek kacmak veya buna ofkelenmek Ali beye birsey
kazandirmayacak, aksine kuculecek,heyecanini bastiramayip hata yapan amator
gibi davraniyor.Kendisi Fernandes yakin arkadasim diyor, yakin arkadasi
Fernandes ise Surnandes icin ” Toyluguna Veriyorum” diyor. Bizde toyluguna
veriyoruz..Bu konulara tepkisiz kalan herkesi, toyluguna veriyoruz:))
Saygilarimla.
Hilmi Simsek